Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 10:46:42 GMT -8
Malaysia Jet Changed Course at Time of Disappearance, Officials Say SEPANG, Malaysia — The Malaysian authorities now believe that a jetliner missing since Saturday may have radically changed course around the time that it stopped communicating with ground controllers. But there were conflicting accounts of the course change and what may have happened afterward, adding to the air of confusion and disarray surrounding the investigation and search operation. As criticism of their inability to find any trace of the jet has mounted, the Malaysian authorities have repeatedly insisted that they were doing their best to solve the mystery of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, with scarce data and almost no precedent. Yet the government and the airline have also released imprecise, incomplete and sometimes inaccurate information, with civilian officials contradicting military leaders. Continue reading the main story RELATED COVERAGE A member of the military looked out of a helicopter during a search-and-rescue mission off the Tho Chu Islands of Vietnam on Monday.False Leads Set Back Search for Malaysian JetMARCH 10, 2014 On Tuesday, the fourth day after the disappeared while on an overnight flight to Beijing, the country’s air force chief, Gen. Rodzali Daud, was quoted in a Malaysian newspaper saying the military had received “signals” on Saturday that after the aircraft stopped communicating with ground controllers, it changed course sharply, from heading northeast to heading west, and flew hundreds of miles across Peninsular Malaysia and out over the Strait of Malacca, before the tracking went blank. The air force chief did not say what kind of signals the military had tracked. But his remarks raised questions about whether the military had noticed the as it flew across the country and about when it informed civilian authorities. According to the general’s account, the last sign of the was recorded at 2:40 a.m., and the aircraft was then near Pulau Perak, an island more than 100 miles off the western shore of the Malaysian peninsula. That assertion stunned aviation experts as well as officials in China, who had been told again and again that the authorities lost contact with the more than an hour earlier, when it was on course over the Gulf of Thailand, east of the peninsula. But the new account seemed to fit with the decision on Monday, previously unexplained, to expand the search area to include waters west of the peninsula. Most of the aircraft’s 227 passengers were Chinese, and the new account prompted an outpouring of anger on Chinese social media sites. “Malaysia, how could you hide something this big until now?” said one posting on Sina.com Weibo, a service similar to Twitter. David Learmount, operations and safety editor at Flightglobal, a news and data service for the aviation sector, said the Malaysian government seemed evasive and confused, and he questioned why, if the remarks attributed to General Daud were true, the government took so long to reveal evidence about a westward flight path. link
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 11, 2014 10:53:35 GMT -8
This just gets more and more bizarre. Some evidence of that should be somewhere. And if not, then the people that destroyed the should have taken credit by now. There's a lot more to this story.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 10:57:36 GMT -8
This just gets more and more bizarre. Some evidence of that should be somewhere. And if not, then the people that destroyed the should have taken credit by now. There's a lot more to this story. I agree, unless its a promo for the new season of LOST.
|
|
|
Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 11, 2014 11:03:44 GMT -8
It's probably Obama's fault. I'm waiting for a statement from McCain, and Graham.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 11:05:12 GMT -8
It's probably Obama's fault. I'm waiting for a statement from McCain, and Graham. Fox news is on it, Obama Downs ....
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 11, 2014 11:05:51 GMT -8
It's probably Obama's fault. I'm waiting for a statement from McCain, and Graham. Wrong players. McCain loves the guy. And Graham might as well be Obama himself. Any posturing those two boneheads do, is just that, posturing. So that they look like they are opposing Lord Obama.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 11, 2014 11:07:14 GMT -8
The thought occurred to me that this was brought down in error and the responsible party hasn't figured out how to claim it yet. But even that doesn't make sense.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 12:17:51 GMT -8
The thought occurred to me that this was brought down in error and the responsible party hasn't figured out how to claim it yet. But even that doesn't make sense. Could be. There has to be some wreckage somewhere. This must be a living hell for the family and friends of the people on the flight.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 9:55:22 GMT -8
6 days and still nothing.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 12, 2014 10:39:48 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 12, 2014 10:43:17 GMT -8
That is a big damn to just disappear. Even if the jet malfunctioned and went down in the ocean, there should have been indication of that sent to someone, somewhere. So it may be sitting at the bottom of the ocean, crew, cargo and passengers all never to be heard from again. It's the Malaysian, Bermuda Triangle.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 10:47:24 GMT -8
That is a big damn to just disappear. Even if the jet malfunctioned and went down in the ocean, there should have been indication of that sent to someone, somewhere. So it may be sitting at the bottom of the ocean, crew, cargo and passengers all never to be heard from again. It's the Malaysian, Bermuda Triangle. Seems like there is a lot of miss-communication from the Malaysian gov't.
|
|
|
Post by Pilgrim47 on Mar 12, 2014 10:48:19 GMT -8
I believe the only way for a 777 to disappear without a trace would be because certain individuals and agencies were working together for what ever reason... If you don't believe this then there has to be evidence out there somewhere... And it will be found.
Incompetence is the likely culprit.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 12, 2014 10:52:36 GMT -8
That is a big damn to just disappear. Even if the jet malfunctioned and went down in the ocean, there should have been indication of that sent to someone, somewhere. So it may be sitting at the bottom of the ocean, crew, cargo and passengers all never to be heard from again. It's the Malaysian, Bermuda Triangle. Seems like there is a lot of miss-communication from the Malaysian gov't. As the days go by, I'm leaning more toward this having been brought down through hostile action. Engine trouble or any such bs going on with the would have been communicated. And terrorists would have claimed it by now. And if it's sitting on some tar mac, satellites would have seen it by now as well. Barring some miracle or science fiction fantasy, I'm thinking this was shot down and in a hurry.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 10:54:55 GMT -8
The search area they have been looking in could quite possibly be wrong as well, according to the latest press releases.
It is a mystery.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 12, 2014 11:58:10 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 12, 2014 11:59:42 GMT -8
Yes it is.
It would appear that the pilot's flight plan consisted of a quiet nose dive.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 2:02:16 GMT -8
This just gets more and more bizarre. Some evidence of that should be somewhere. And if not, then the people that destroyed the should have taken credit by now. There's a lot more to this story. Yeah, there should be some debris by now. Maybe it was taken elsewhere for a future event.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 13, 2014 6:37:35 GMT -8
This just gets more and more bizarre. Some evidence of that should be somewhere. And if not, then the people that destroyed the should have taken credit by now. There's a lot more to this story. Yeah, there should be some debris by now. Maybe it was taken elsewhere for a future event. Very possible. I heard that theory postulated this morning as well. It could be in preparation for an attack using the in a similar manner to 9/11.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 14, 2014 6:28:44 GMT -8
In a far more detailed description of military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, two sources told Reuters an unidentified aircraft that investigators suspect was missing Flight MH370 appeared to be following a commonly used navigational route when it was last spotted early on Saturday, northwest of Malaysia. That course - headed into the Andaman Sea and towards the Bay of Bengal in the Indian Ocean - could only have been set deliberately, either by flying the Boeing 777-200ER jet manually or by programming the auto-pilot. A third investigative source said inquiries were focusing more on the theory that someone who knew how to fly a deliberately diverted the flight hundreds of miles off its scheduled course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. "What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards," said the source, a senior Malaysian police official. -sources" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">news.msn.com/world/investigators-focus-on-foul-play-behind-missing--sources
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 14, 2014 6:31:19 GMT -8
More info is coming out about the passengers too. Apparently there were some 20 well trained military technicians/experts on this flight. Speculation is that they were kidnapped or some such thing. I'm looking for this info now.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 11:28:58 GMT -8
As the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 continues, attention is turning to the onboard technology that allowed the itself, rather than the pilots, to communicate with the ground. Even if an aircraft's transponder has been disabled, its most basic systems, such as the engines, can also send status information back to ground stations, including the engine manufacturer or the airline. Investigators have now determined that some of these systems were still active on Flight 370 hours after it initially lost contact with air traffic controllers. The question is whether this low-level data is enough to provide new insight on where the may have gone. What is this technology, and how does it work? Investigators are focusing on data relayed by a system called ACARS, or Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. In basic versions of the service, the airplane shares data automatically in short radio bursts with airline officials. ACARS allows the to send multiple types of messages, including information about fuel levels and engine status. In the case of Air France 447, which plunged into the ocean off the coast of Brazil in 2009, the doomed aircraft sent 29 ACARS transmissions warning of a problem before the crashed. You mentioned basic implementations. There's more than one ACARS? Think of it like a cable TV package. According to Bill Waldock, an air crash investigator and a professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, more expensive ACARS packages come with a console that can receive short faxes or send basic messages. Depending on what an airline is willing to pay for, its planes will be able to take advantage of more and better ACARS features. Okay. So can this technology tell us where Flight 370 is? Not necessarily — it can really only tell us whether the is still functioning. "Normally, ACARS doesn’t send an actual location," Waldock said. "They're sending essentially system data. They don't indicate altitude or direction. But as long as it’s pinging, you know the airplane is not down." Investigators now say that based on ACARS information, Flight 370 deviated from its flight path and was in the air for hours after it ceased communications with air traffic controllers. "The facts are all over the place," said a U.S. official who asked not to be identified because he is not authorized to speak publicly. "It's looking less and less like an accident. It's looking more like a criminal event." Meanwhile, a satellite operator offered a glimmer of hope Friday when it confirmed it had received "ping" signals from MH370. The company, Inmarsat, said it might be able to use the angle of the incoming transmissions to calculate MH 370's position relative to the satellite. What else can ACARS tell us? ACARS was created in the 1970s as a way to determine automatically what stage of flight a was in. Built-in sensors indicated when a 's doors, parking brake and other equipment was in a given state, which in turn could tell observers whether a was at the gate, ready to depart or in the air. In later decades, ACARS became capable of sending detailed performance data to ground teams in real time so that they could be ready to perform maintenance as soon as the craft landed. If Flight 370 was flying over the ocean, how was ACARS still communicating with the ground? ACARS messages can be transmitted over more than one protocol. The cheapest and most common way is by sending the data as a packet over radio waves in the VHF range. Here's what a VHF ACARS transmission sounds like, via Wikimedia Commons: Satellite relays have become another way for these signals to move across the globe, though that's more expensive. What other satellite technology might help us locate the ? Some airlines and aircraft manufacturers, including Boeing — the manufacturer of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet — operate their own satellite subscription services designed to facilitate speedy troubleshooting and maintenance. According to the Associated Press, Malaysia Airlines had not signed up for the program. Others have pointed to FlightRadar24, a non-commercial flight tracking operation that compiles flight data from the FAA, ADS-B and other sources to show where airplanes are in the world. That information is still subject to limitations, however. What about the flight's transponder? Unfortunately, the transponder is part of the mystery: It would be one thing if the had crashed at the point where the transponder went dark. In that case we would know where to look for the . But that doesn't appear to the case this time. The apparently kept flying. So the transponder isn't much help. Could passenger cellphones hold a clue? Maybe. But it would depend on a) whether MH370 crossed back over land; b) whether there were cell towers nearby; c) whether the was moving low and slow enough to pick up the signals; and d) whether the towers were capable of handing off the devices from one to another well enough to establish a geographic fix as the passengers zipped by at high speeds. "It's certainly possible under 10,000 feet," said Daniel Berninger, a communications architect and former Bell Labs employee. "But at 35,000 feet, going at 500 mph? I'm not aware of any signals being able to connect. ... The coverage between the cell towers and the handoffs is a whole complex process that doesn't always work. It doesn't even work that great when you're going 55 miles per hour in a car."
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 11:30:08 GMT -8
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 investigators forced to consider possibility of pilot suicideAs police investigate the two pilots of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 passenger jet that disappeared more than a week ago, a possibility they must consider is that one of them committed suicide by deliberately crashing the . While such incidents have happened before, the topic remains almost taboo, with investigators and officials reluctant to conclude that a pilot purposely crashed a in order to commit suicide even when the evidence appears compelling. A dozen years ago, U.S. investigators filed a final report into the 1999 crash of EgyptAir Flight 990, which plunged into the Atlantic Ocean near the Massachusetts island of Nantucket, killing all 217 aboard. They concluded that when co-pilot Gameel El-Batouty found himself alone on the flight deck, he switched off the auto-pilot, pointed the downward, and calmly repeated the phrase “I rely on God” over and over, 11 times in total. Yet while the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the co-pilot’s actions caused the crash, they didn’t use the word “suicide” in the main findings of their 160-page report, instead saying the reason for his actions “was not determined.” Egyptian officials, meanwhile, rejected the notion of suicide altogether, insisting instead there was some mechanical reason for the crash. There was also disagreement over the cause of the crash of SilkAir Flight 185, which plunged into a river in 1997 during a flight from Jakarta, Indonesia, to Singapore, killing all 104 passengers and crew. A U.S. investigation found that the Boeing 737 had been deliberately crashed, but an Indonesian investigation was inconclusive. Mozambique officials have been investigating a crash that killed 33 people in November. They say preliminary investigations indicate that the pilot of the Mozambican Airline bound for Angola intentionally brought it down, and they’re continuing to look into his possible motives. A 2014 study by the Federal Aviation Administration indicates that in the U.S. at least, flying remains a remarkably safe mode of transport and pilot suicide is a rare occurrence. The study found that during the 10 years ending in 2012, just eight of 2,758 fatal aviation accidents in the U.S. were caused by pilot suicide, a rate of 0.3 percent. The report found that all eight suicides were men, with four of them testing positive for alcohol and two for antidepressants. The cases ranged from a pilot celebrating his 21st birthday who realized a woman didn’t want a relationship with him, to a 69-year-old pilot with a history of drinking and threatening suicide by . Seven of the cases involved the death of only the pilot; in the eighth case, a passenger also died. “Aircraft-assisted suicides are tragic, intentional events that are hard to predict and difficult to prevent,” the FAA’s report found, adding that such suicides “are most likely under-reported and under-recognized.” In at least one case, a major international airline allowed a pilot who had expressed suicidal thoughts to continue flying. He flew nearly three more years, without incident, before he resigned in 1982 with severe obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety and depression. The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper reported that the Workers Compensation Commission heard that the Qantas pilot struggled several times to resist an overwhelming urge to switch off the ’s engines. Once during a flight to Singapore, the pilot’s hand moved “involuntarily” toward the start levers and he was forced to “immobilize his left arm in order not to act on the compulsion.” “He left the flight deck and, once he felt calm enough, returned to his seat,” the newspaper reported.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 17, 2014 11:32:52 GMT -8
I saw another report today speculating that the flew to Pakistan.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 17, 2014 11:41:37 GMT -8
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 11:52:47 GMT -8
I saw another report today speculating that the flew to Pakistan. Who knows eh? I watch Amelia on the weekend, about Amelia Earhart. I wonder if maybe they can find her while they are looking.
|
|
|
Post by ♬ pkbucko ♬ on Mar 18, 2014 10:04:29 GMT -8
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 10:10:54 GMT -8
okay..that is sick. I did though...
|
|
|
Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 18, 2014 10:15:11 GMT -8
Malaysian First Class.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 1:48:49 GMT -8
It's probably Obama's fault. I'm waiting for a statement from McCain, and Graham. Wrong players. McCain loves the guy. And Graham might as well be Obama himself. Any posturing those two boneheads do, is just that, posturing. So that they look like they are opposing Lord Obama. Got that right. If anything we should be hearing, "Bush's fault". We've heard it for 6 years now....
|
|