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Post by domic on Jan 16, 2013 9:13:40 GMT -8
You're welcome.
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Post by Willing Sniper on Jan 16, 2013 9:16:53 GMT -8
Interesting perspective domic. Yes suffer for others.
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Post by domic on Jan 16, 2013 9:26:22 GMT -8
My point is not suffer for others, though I can appreciate that, but that things can change and life has value, plus things can and do improve for some. As someone who deals with constant pain that at times is horrible, I question spending the rest of my life hurting, but then every once in a while I have a few good days and then after almost four years, I have seen some improvement. May or may not last, but I have certainly contemplated the subject matter. I do know that you can draw inspiration from those who deal with suffering and are able to continue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 10:04:05 GMT -8
I've had patients who do nothing but scream for years. They scream all the time, except when they're being force-fed. They're mute, incontinent, blind, and contractured, so they're always in a foetal position. We don't know why they're screaming. Pain meds don't decrease it. They're perfectly healthy, so there's no merciful plug to pull. I wonder how much value they think their lives have. They're not screaming for seven years just to listen to themselves. Sure, the Advanced Directives say "no heroic measures and no artificial life support", but I'm sure if they were offered a morphine overdose they would take it in a heartbeat. That option should always be allowed when discussing end of life care with your doctor or family, but sadly, it's not. There's a right to life, but there's also a right to self-determination.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 10:13:46 GMT -8
I've had patients who do nothing but scream for years. They scream all the time, except when they're being force-fed. They're mute, incontinent, blind, and contractured, so they're always in a foetal position. We don't know why they're screaming. Pain meds don't decrease it. They're perfectly healthy, so there's no merciful plug to pull. I wonder how much value they think their lives have. They're not screaming for seven years just to listen to themselves. Sure, the Advanced Directives say "no heroic measures and no artificial life support", but I'm sure if they were offered a morphine overdose they would take it in a heartbeat. That option should always be allowed when discussing end of life care with your doctor or family, but sadly, it's not. There's a right to life, but there's also a right to self-determination. A good friend of mine, his mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's about 15 years ago. It progressed with astonishing speed, she has been in the hospital for 10 years now. Physically healthy and mentally, gone. She cannot communicate and often screams as if in pain. They give her electric shock therapy to stop it. Helluva way to live.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 10:23:49 GMT -8
I worked in a nursing home once. It certainly open your eyes. No doubt. The lady I am speaking of has no quality of life that I can see. She cannot even feed herself or use a toilet. She hasn't recognized any of her family or even spoken other than screaming in 10 years. If she wasn't in a hospital she would have done what Alzheimer patients wish to do. Wander off and die. So who is playing God?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 10:34:29 GMT -8
Stroke and dementia scare me like nothing else does. I would gladly sacrifice a few years of my life and opt for a nice heart attack if it would spare me the above. You'd be surprised at how many medical professionals smoke.
:::lights another cigarette:::
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Post by ✿Lexxy✿ on Jan 16, 2013 10:45:42 GMT -8
Stroke and dementia scare me like nothing else does. I would gladly sacrifice a few years of my life and opt for a nice heart attack if it would spare me the above. You'd be surprised at how many medical professionals smoke. :::lights another cigarette::: I hear you Welts. All women on both sides of my family have lived into their 90s. My paternal grandmother just turned 96. She is blind & deaf & now suffering from a form of dimentia. I am taking precautions to be sure I do not live that long. I am working on my lungs & my liver just to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 10:48:11 GMT -8
Please refrain in future from telling me and others to quit. When did I ever tell you to quit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 10:49:27 GMT -8
I am working on my lungs & my liver just to be sure. -------------- Good job! Thumbs up.
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Post by ✿Lexxy✿ on Jan 16, 2013 11:05:27 GMT -8
I guess she should have worked on her liver too.
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