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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 11:18:18 GMT -8
Bill Cosby raped me. Why did it take 30 years for people to believe my story? Barbara Bowman is an artist and married mother with two children. She lives in Scottsdale, Ariz. The author as a 19-year-old aspiring model and actress in 1987, a couple of years after she met Bill Cosby. (Nicholas deScoise)
In 2004, when Andrea Constand filed a lawsuit against Bill Cosby for sexual assault, her lawyers asked me to testify. Cosby had drugged and raped me, too, I told them. The lawyers said I could testify anonymously as a Jane Doe, but I ardently rejected that idea. My name is not Jane Doe. My name is Barbara Bowman, and I wanted to tell my story in court. In the end, I didn’t have the opportunity to do that, because Cosby settled the suit for an undisclosed amount of money. Over the years, I’ve struggled to get people to take my story seriously. So last month, when reporter Lycia Naff contacted me for an interview for the Daily Mail, I gave her a detailed account. I told her how Cosby won my trust as a 17-year-old aspiring actress in 1985, brainwashed me into viewing him as a father figure, and then assaulted me multiple times. In one case, I blacked out after having dinner and one glass of wine at his New York City brownstone, where he had offered to mentor me and discuss the entertainment industry. When I came to, I was in my panties and a man’s t-shirt, and Cosby was looming over me. I’m certain now that he drugged and raped me. But as a teenager, I tried to convince myself I had imagined it. I even tried to rationalize it: Bill Cosby was going to make me a star and this was part of the deal. The final incident was in Atlantic City, where we had traveled for an industry event. I was staying in a separate bedroom of Cosby’s hotel suite, but he pinned me down in his own bed while I screamed for help. I’ll never forget the clinking of his belt buckle as he struggled to pull his pants off. I furiously tried to wrestle from his grasp until he eventually gave up, angrily called me “a baby” and sent me home to Denver. Back then, the incident was so horrifying that I had trouble admitting it to myself, let alone to others. But I first told my agent, who did nothing. (Cosby sometimes came to her office to interview people for “The Cosby Show” and other acting jobs.) A girlfriend took me to a lawyer, but he accused me of making the story up. Their dismissive responses crushed any hope I had of getting help; I was convinced no one would listen to me. That feeling of futility is what ultimately kept me from going to the police. I told friends what had happened, and although they sympathized with me, they were just as helpless to do anything about it. I was a teenager from Denver acting in McDonald’s commercials. He was Bill Cosby: consummate American dad Cliff Huxtable and the Jell-O spokesman. Eventually, I had to move on with my life and my career. I didn’t stay entirely quiet, though: I’ve been telling my story publicly for nearly 10 years. When Constand brought her lawsuit, I found renewed confidence. I was determined to not be silent any more. In 2006, I was interviewed by Robert Huber for Philadelphia Magazine, and Alycia Lane for KYW-TV news in Philadelphia. A reporter wrote about my experience in the December 2006 issue of People Magazine. And last February, Katie Baker interviewed me for Newsweek. Bloggers and columnists wrote about that story for several months after it was published. Still, my complaint didn’t seem to take hold. Only after a man, Hannibal Buress, called Bill Cosby a rapist in a comedy act last month did the public outcry begin in earnest. The original video of Buress’s performance went viral. This week, Twitter turned against him, too, with a meme that emblazoned rape scenarios across pictures of his face. While I am grateful for the new attention to Cosby’s crimes, I must ask my own questions: Why wasn’t I believed? Why didn’t I get the same reaction of shock and revulsion when I originally reported it? Why was I, a victim of sexual assault, further wronged by victim blaming when I came forward? The women victimized by Bill Cosby have been talking about his crimes for more than a decade. Why didn’t our stories go viral? Unfortunately, our experience isn’t unique. The entertainment world is rife with famous men who use their power to victimize and then silence young women who look up to them. Even when their victims speak out, the industry and the public turn blind eyes; these men’s celebrity, careers, and public adulation continue to thrive. Even now, Cosby has a new comedy special coming out on Netflix and NBC is set to give him a new sitcom. Fixing this problem demands more than public shaming. For Cosby to commit these assaults against multiple victims over several years, there had to be a network of willfully blind wallflowers at best, or people willing to aid him in committing these sexual crimes at worst. As I told the Daily Mail, when I was a teenager, his assistants transported me to hotels and events to meet him. When I blacked out at Cosby’s home, there were several staffers with us. My agent, who introduced me to Cosby, had me take a pregnancy test when I returned from my last trip with him. Talent agents, hotel staff, personal assistants and others who knowingly made arrangements for Cosby’s criminal acts or overlooked them should be held equally accountable. I have never received any money from Bill Cosby and have not asked for it. I have nothing to gain by continuing to speak out. He can no longer be charged for his crimes against me because the statute of limitations is long past. That is also wrong. There should be no time limits on reporting these crimes, and one of my goals is to call for legislation to that end. Famous and wealthy perpetrators use their power to shame and silence their victims. It often takes years for young women to overcome those feeling and gain the confidence to come forward (by which point physical evidence is long gone). Our legal system shouldn’t silence them a second time. Last week, I became a volunteer ambassador for PAVE (Promoting Awareness, Victim Empowerment), a national victim advocacy group that seeks to shatter the silence around sexual violence through targeted social, educational and legislative tactics. I will be writing and traveling the country talking to media, students and other interested groups about the importance of speaking out against sexual assault. I’ll largely focus on young models and actors who are especially vulnerable to the influences of the rich and powerful. They, like other sexual assault victims, deserve our support. It’s the perpetrators who should be facing public humiliation – not the victims. Source
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Post by domic on Nov 13, 2014 11:53:11 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 11:55:08 GMT -8
Its not looking so good for the Cos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:25:35 GMT -8
Lou Ferrigno's wife Carla Ferrigno accuses Bill Cosby of assault; more come forward
Ten.
That’s the number of women who have come forward to publicly claim Bill Cosby sexually abused them, or attempted to.
They say they are telling their stories after enduring years fearful or embarrassing silence, but Cosby’s lawyer has come out against some of the women, calling them liars and opportunists, and labeling the press coverage a “feeding frenzy.”
Carla Ferrigno, who is now married to bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, said she was working as a Playboy Bunny in 1967 when she went on a double date with the comedian and his wife. She claims the date ended up at the Cosbys’ house, and when Cosby’s wife Camille retired for the evening, and her companion disappeared, Cosby attacked her.
"He was much bigger than me. Much bigger and he pulled me so hard and so rough. I had never been treated so roughly and he pulled me hard to him so hard,” she told the Daily Mail. “And then kissed me so hard, right in the mouth. No one has ever been that physically violent with me. I was stunned. I was frozen. I took all my body strength and used both of my arms to stop him and push him away from me. He was so forceful."
She said she was speaking out now because "I want to be one of those women. One more nail in the coffin."
Former child actress Renita Chaney told KDKA-Pittsburgh she met Cosby in the 1980s when she was 15 and acting on his educational television segments called “Picture Pages.” Over four years she said he would “fly me to a number of cities. He would be busy during the day, then I’d come to his hotel room at night.”
She said Cosby would insist she have drinks, even though she was underage.
“One time, I remember just before I passed out, I remember him kissing and touching me and I remember the taste of his cigar on his breath, and I didn’t like it,” Hill said. “I remember another time when I woke up in my bed the next day and he was leaving, he mentioned you should probably lose a little weight. I thought that odd, how would he know that?”
She said she was unconscious so she didn’t know if she was raped, but suspected she was.
Former model and actress Angelia Leslie told The Daily News that the comedian forced her to masturbate him in a hotel room in 1992. She said he offered her a drink but she refused.
"I couldn't drink it. I tasted it and put it down,” she said. “Then he asked me to go into the bathroom and wet my hair. I walked back out, and he had removed his clothing and gotten into bed.” She said Cosby poured lotion into her palm and put her hand on him, and his on hers. "He masturbated with my hand. I wasn't pulling back. I was in shock."
Actress Louisa Moritz told TMZ that she was at the NBC studios in 1971 waiting in the green room for an appearance on “The Tonight Show” when Cosby came in and "suddenly approached me and took out his penis, which was now in the line of my face [she's 5' tall] and pressed up against it."
"He took his hands and put them on the back of my head and forced his penis in my mouth, saying, 'have a taste of this. It will do you good in so many ways."
Therese Serignese, now a nurse in Boca Raton, said the television icon raped her in 1976 when she was 19 years old following a show in Las Vegas. She said she went backstage and when the two were alone, Cosby gave her two pills and a glass of water, saying, "Take these."
"My next memory is clearly feeling drugged, being without my clothes, standing up," she said. "Bill Cosby was behind me, having sex with me."
Barbara Bowman, an aspiring actress, said in a Nov. 13 Washington Post column that she was 17 and blacked out after Cosby drugged her, waking up to find herself in panties and a man's T-shirt with the television icon looming over her. She said she was certain she was raped.
Joan Tarshis on Monday said she was a 19-year-old who wanted to be a comedy writer when Cosby gave her a drink and forced her to perform oral sex on him.
Janice Dickinson on Tuesday told "Entertainment Tonight" that Cosby had given her red wine and a pill when they were together in a Lake Tahoe, California, hotel room in 1982. Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, said in a letter to the AP that Dickinson's charges were "false and outlandish."
Tamara Green wrote an opinion piece Wednesday for "Entertainment Tonight." In 2005, Green publicly claimed that she was drugged and Cosby attempted to assault her; Cosby's lawyers have previously denied they knew each other.
In addition, Andrea Constand filed a civil suit against Cosby in 2005, which lawyers said would include testimony from 13 unnamed women. The suit was settled out of court.
Cosby's attorney has blasted many of the accounts. "People coming out of nowhere with this sort of inane yarn is what happens in a media-driven feeding frenzy," he said.
Cosby spokesman David Brokaw did not respond to AP’s request for comment. Singer, in a statement released Sunday, criticized previous "decades-old, discredited allegations," stating that "the fact that they are being repeated does not make them true."
Cosby made no mention of the allegations Thursday during a benefit performance in the Bahamas for a women's service organization. He stuck to his routine, including stories about his childhood growing up in the projects of Philadelphia. There were few empty seats in the house, and a few people gave him an ovation when he finished his set.
Some in the audience said the allegations against Cosby remain unproven, and they added that his performance was a benefit for what they felt was a good cause.
Dozens of Cosby's television and comedy colleagues have either refused to comment or not returned telephone calls from The Associated Press in recent days.
Cosby declined to comment in two recorded interviews by The Associated Press and National Public Radio.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:26:48 GMT -8
An actress who played Rose in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and starred in the '70s show "Love American Style" claims Bill Cosby stuck his penis in her mouth in her dressing room before an appearance on Johnny Carson's "Tonight Show." 68-year-old Louisa Moritz tells TMZ ... she was at the NBC studios in New York in 1971, waiting in the green room for her appearance on the show. She says there was a knock at the door, and it was Cosby, who she says walked in and said he was impressed with her work and "implied that he was going to see to it that I will become a major star through his direction." Moritz -- who also played a cop in Cheech and Chong's "Up in Smoke" -- says Cosby "suddenly approached me and took out his penis, which was now in the line of my face [she's 5'0"] and pressed up against it." She goes on, "He took his hands and put them on the back of my head and forced his penis in my mouth, saying, 'Have a taste of this. It will do you good in so many ways.'" She says as Cosby walked out he turned and said, "Now you don't want to upset me and the plans for your future, do you?" Moritz says she never told anyone, until now. She says although the statute of limitations has run out, she intends to file a civil lawsuit against Cosby. Cosby's lawyer, Marty Singer, tells TMZ ... "We've reached a point of absurdity. The stories are getting more ridiculous." Singer adds, "Mortiz is a lawyer who was disciplined by the California State Bar and ordered not to practice. We pulled the documents -- she can't practice because she didn't report certain quarterly reports ... the nature of the reports is unclear from the documents." Source
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:27:50 GMT -8
These are pictures of Bill Cosby taken by Janice Dickinson, just before he allegedly date raped her. Dickinson says she went to Lake Tahoe in 1982 to see Cosby perform. She says the comedian told her to come to the hotel and he'd help her with her career. Dickinson told ET after dinner he gave her a pill and some wine, and the last thing she remembered was Cosby "in a patchwork robe, dropping his robe and getting on top of me." She says the next morning she was naked with semen between her legs. Dickinson tells TMZ ... she took these Polaroids of Cosby in the hotel room after she took the pill but before she blacked out. You see Cosby lounging in the colorful patchwork robe, with a 40 of malt liquor by his side. Source
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Post by ✿Lexxy✿ on Nov 21, 2014 11:44:39 GMT -8
I'm sure he was a douchebag & did make sexual advances. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call most of them rape.
He put lotion in my hand & made me jack him off, um you could have quit. He put his dick in my mouth in the dressing room, bite the SOB. I repeatedly went to his hotel room for drinks & passed out unconcious. Really? Take a little responsibility for your actions ladies. He didn't attack with a deadly weapon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:47:25 GMT -8
This is a very strange topic for me...
As an abuse survivor, I want these people to be heard and believed.
As an old Cosby fan, I want this to all be lies.
But I think it's wise to err on the side of the abusive victims. They will be held accountable to prove this happened if/when it goes to court.
Good luck Cosby, I hope you were the honorable man I thought you were.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 12:05:27 GMT -8
What I am struggling with is that each of these women wanted something from Cosby.
He in return wanted something from them.
The drugging part was unnecessary and that is what I have an issue with. Drugging people is wrong, not to mention what he did with them when they were passed out was obviously without consent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 14:30:52 GMT -8
I believe these women, but it's unlikely he'll actually be charged with anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 15:49:59 GMT -8
I believe these women, but it's unlikely he'll actually be charged with anything. True that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 15:52:50 GMT -8
It's a difficult situation; in the wake of the Jimmy Savile situation Britain has had a wave of cases like this and it looks like the US is going the same way.
My problem is threefold:
why wait so long to bring these things up?
are the women just after money? (He's already paid some of them off)
what happened to innocent till proven guilty? In rape cases the feminists seem to have totally skewed the law in favour of the presumption of guilt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:57:34 GMT -8
It's a difficult situation; in the wake of the Jimmy Savile situation Britain has had a wave of cases like this and it looks like the US is going the same way. My problem is threefold: why wait so long to bring these things up? are the women just after money? (He's already paid some of them off) what happened to innocent till proven guilty? In rape cases the feminists seem to have totally skewed the law in favour of the presumption of guilt. Why wait so long? Possibly because they were afraid nobody would believe them, then had no idea there were so many other victims. There have been no claims for money at this time although Mr. Cosby did pay off one woman. He is innocent until proven guilty but from the looks of things he is a bit of a freak and has gotten away with this for many, many years. Public opinion has nothing to do with proof of guilt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:40:34 GMT -8
It's a difficult situation; in the wake of the Jimmy Savile situation Britain has had a wave of cases like this and it looks like the US is going the same way. My problem is threefold: why wait so long to bring these things up? are the women just after money? (He's already paid some of them off) what happened to innocent till proven guilty? In rape cases the feminists seem to have totally skewed the law in favour of the presumption of guilt. Why wait so long? Possibly because they were afraid nobody would believe them, then had no idea there were so many other victims. There have been no claims for money at this time although Mr. Cosby did pay off one woman. He is innocent until proven guilty but from the looks of things he is a bit of a freak and has gotten away with this for many, many years. Public opinion has nothing to do with proof of guilt. I profoundly disagree with your last sentence. And in any case in America any rich criminal (like Michael Jackson and O J Simpson) can get away with crimes, pack the jury and so on. But we also have to remember that through the malign influence of feminism the presumption of innocence has become turned on its head in cases of rape and domestic violence into a presumption of guilt (at least when the accused is male). I wouldn't put anything past these so-called celebrities but I also know that people lie for fame, money and all kinds of other reasons. So I'm keeping an open mind on this issue. That used to be the American way before the feminists started destroying the US justice system
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 28, 2014 15:58:55 GMT -8
She wasn`t drugged. She could have bitten him. Let him explain THAT to his wife! But no, he was going to make her a star!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 12:48:42 GMT -8
Bill Cosby tweets his thanks to celebrity supporters Whoopi Goldberg and Jill Scott amid latest allegations he sexually assaulted a minor at the Playboy Mansion Source
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Post by Willing Sniper on Dec 4, 2014 12:51:47 GMT -8
He fondled me... 2pt2azq
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 9:22:19 GMT -8
Oh I thought he liked girlz, this is news.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 13:19:47 GMT -8
Bill Cosby Drugged Me. This Is My Story. By Beverly JohnsonBY VICTORIA WILL/AP PHOTO.Beverly Johnson in 2012.
Like most Americans, I spent the 60s, 70s, and part of the 80s in awe of Bill Cosby and his total domination of popular culture. He was the first African American to star in a dramatic television series, I Spy, a show my family in Buffalo, New York, always watched. Cosby cut a striking figure on-screen then. He was funny, smart, and even elegant—all those wonderful things many white Americans didn’t associate with people of color. In fact, as I thought of going public with what follows, a voice in my head kept whispering, “Black men have enough enemies out there already, they certainly don’t need someone like you, an African American with a familiar face and a famous name, fanning the flames.” Imagine my joy in the mid-80s when an agent called to say Bill Cosby wanted me to audition for a role on the The Cosby Show. Cosby played an obstetrician, and he sometimes used models to portray pregnant women sitting in his office waiting room. It was a small part with one or two speaking lines at most, but I wanted in. I was in the midst of an ugly custody battle for my only child. I needed a big break badly and appearing on The Cosby Show seemed like an excellent way of getting Hollywood’s attention. I’d appeared in one or two movies already, but my phone wasn’t exactly ringing off the hook with acting jobs. Cosby’s handlers invited me to a taping of the show so I could get the lay of the land and an idea of what my role required. After the taping I met all the cast and then met with Cosby in his office to talk a bit about the hell I’d been through in my marriage. He appeared concerned and then asked what I wanted from my career going forward. He seemed genuinely interested in guiding me to the next level. I was on cloud nine. I brought my daughter to the next taping I attended. Afterward, Cosby asked if I could meet him at his home that weekend to read for the part. My ex-husband had primary custody of my daughter at the time, and I usually spent my weekends with her. Cosby suggested I bring her along, which really reeled me in. He was the Jell-O Pudding man; like most kids, my daughter loved him. When my daughter and I visited Cosby’s New York brownstone, his staff served us a delicious brunch. Then he gave us a tour of the exceptional multi-level home. Looking back, that first invite from Cosby to his home seems like part of a perfectly laid out plan, a way to make me feel secure with him at all times. It worked like a charm. Cosby suggested I come back to his house a few days later to read for the part. I agreed, and one late afternoon the following week I returned. His staff served a light dinner and Bill and I talked more about my plans for the future. After the meal, we walked upstairs to a huge living area of his home that featured a massive bar. A huge brass espresso contraption took up half the counter. At the time, it seemed rare for someone to have such a machine in his home for personal use. Cosby said he wanted to see how I handled various scenes, so he suggested that I pretend to be drunk. (When did a pregnant woman ever appear drunk on The Cosby Show? Probably never, but I went with it.) As I readied myself to be the best drunk I could be, he offered me a cappuccino from the espresso machine. I told him I didn’t drink coffee that late in the afternoon because it made getting to sleep at night more difficult. He wouldn’t let it go. He insisted that his espresso machine was the best model on the market and promised I’d never tasted a cappuccino quite like this one. It’s nuts, I know, but it felt oddly inappropriate arguing with Bill Cosby so I took a few sips of the coffee just to appease him. Now let me explain this: I was a top model during the 70s, a period when drugs flowed at parties and photo shoots like bottled water at a health spa. I’d had my fun and experimented with my fair share of mood enhancers. I knew by the second sip of the drink Cosby had given me that I’d been drugged—and drugged good. BY DAVID COOPER/TORONTO STARBill Cosby in 1978. [Editor’s Note: Cosby’s attorneys did not respond to Vanity Fair’s requests for comment.] My head became woozy, my speech became slurred, and the room began to spin nonstop. Cosby motioned for me to come over to him as though we were really about to act out the scene. He put his hands around my waist, and I managed to put my hand on his shoulder in order to steady myself. As I felt my body go completely limp, my brain switched into automatic-survival mode. That meant making sure Cosby understood that I knew exactly what was happening at that very moment. “You are a motherfucker aren’t you?” That’s the exact question I yelled at him as he stood there holding me, expecting me to bend to his will. I rapidly called him several more “motherfuckers.” By the fifth, I could tell that I was really pissing him off. At one point he dropped his hands from my waist and just stood there looking at me like I’d lost my mind. What happened next is somewhat cloudy for me because the drug was in fuller play by that time. I recall his seething anger at my tirade and then him grabbing me by my left arm hard and yanking all 110 pounds of me down a bunch of stairs as my high heels clicked and clacked on every step. I feared my neck was going to break with the force he was using to pull me down those stairs. It was still late afternoon and the sun hadn’t completely gone down yet. When we reached the front door, he pulled me outside of the brownstone and then, with his hand still tightly clenched around my arm, stood in the middle of the street waving down taxis. When one stopped, Cosby opened the door, shoved me into it and slammed the door behind me without ever saying a word. I somehow managed to tell the driver my address and before blacking out, I looked at the cabbie and asked, as if he knew: “Did I really just call Bill Cosby ‘a motherfucker’?” Why that was even a concern of mine after what I’d just been through is still a mystery to me? I think my mind refused to process it. The next day I woke up in my own bed after falling into a deep sleep that lasted most of the day. I had no memory of how I got into my apartment or into my bed, though most likely my doorman helped me out. I sat in there still stunned by what happened the night before, confused and devastated by the idea that someone I admired so much had tried to take advantage of me, and used drugs to do so. Had I done something to encourage his actions? In reality, I knew I’d done nothing to encourage Cosby but my mind kept turning with question after question. It took a few days for the drug to completely wear off and soon I had to get back to work. I headed to California for an acting audition. Not long after arriving, I decided I needed to confront Cosby for my own sanity’s sake. I thought if I just called him, he would come clean and explain why he’d done what he had. I dialed the private number he’d given me expecting to hear his voice on the other end. But he didn’t answer. His wife did. A little shocked, I quickly identified myself to her in the most respectful way possible and then asked to speak to Bill. Camille politely informed me that it was very late, 11:00 P.M. and that they were both in bed together. I apologized for the late call and explained that I was in Los Angeles and had forgotten about the three-hour time difference. I added that I would call back tomorrow. I didn’t call back the next day or any other day after that. At a certain moment it became clear that I would be fighting a losing battle with a powerful man so callous he not only drugged me, but he also gave me the number to the bedroom he shared with his wife. How could I fight someone that boldly arrogant and out of touch? In the end, just like the other women, I had too much to lose to go after Bill Cosby. I had a career that would no doubt take a huge hit if I went public with my story and I certainly couldn’t afford that after my costly divorce and on going court fees. --- For a long time I thought it was something that only happened to me, and that I was somehow responsible. So I kept my secret to myself, believing this truth needed to remain in the darkness. But the last four weeks have changed everything, as so many women have shared similar stories, of which the press have belatedly taken heed. source
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 13:45:51 GMT -8
Do you spose that there is some kind of mass hallucination at work here?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 10:02:13 GMT -8
Why wait so long? Possibly because they were afraid nobody would believe them, then had no idea there were so many other victims. There have been no claims for money at this time although Mr. Cosby did pay off one woman. He is innocent until proven guilty but from the looks of things he is a bit of a freak and has gotten away with this for many, many years. Public opinion has nothing to do with proof of guilt. I profoundly disagree with your last sentence. And in any case in America any rich criminal (like Michael Jackson and O J Simpson) can get away with crimes, pack the jury and so on. But we also have to remember that through the malign influence of feminism the presumption of innocence has become turned on its head in cases of rape and domestic violence into a presumption of guilt (at least when the accused is male). I wouldn't put anything past these so-called celebrities but I also know that people lie for fame, money and all kinds of other reasons. So I'm keeping an open mind on this issue. That used to be the American way before the feminists started destroying the US justice system Thats funny, I profoundly disagree with your attack on feminists.
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Post by FanOfDorks on Dec 12, 2014 17:55:54 GMT -8
I really dunno what to think.
I was abused by a family member growing up so things like this creep me out.
I used to watch The Cosby Show as a kid so hearing these stories makes me feel sad.
But usually these things end up being true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 17:37:19 GMT -8
I profoundly disagree with your last sentence. And in any case in America any rich criminal (like Michael Jackson and O J Simpson) can get away with crimes, pack the jury and so on. But we also have to remember that through the malign influence of feminism the presumption of innocence has become turned on its head in cases of rape and domestic violence into a presumption of guilt (at least when the accused is male). I wouldn't put anything past these so-called celebrities but I also know that people lie for fame, money and all kinds of other reasons. So I'm keeping an open mind on this issue. That used to be the American way before the feminists started destroying the US justice system Thats funny, I profoundly disagree with your attack on feminists. You're entitled; I profoundly disagree with feminism. But I confuse both sides of that debate a lot because most anti-feminists tend to be right-wing and I'm not conservative at all. And if you don't think that the presumption of guilt in rape and domestic violence cases is bad and down entirely to the malign influence of feminism; if you don't think that there's something wrong with judges making statements like 'you're not supposed to be concerned with the constitutional rights of the man you're violating;' if you don't think that the very TITLE of the VAWA act is institutionally sexist when a child of 5 could have called it the DVA act; if you don't think that the fact women routinely get no punishment at all or lesser punishment for the same crime than men is wrong and the fault of feminists; if you don't think that the divorce and custody laws are unfair to men; if you don't think that quotas rather than merit is wrong; if you don't think that regarding domestic violence by females against males is wrong and deserves the same punishment; if you don't think that female paedophiles get a free ride compared with male ones; well, all I can say is you've been brainwashed by the feminists. My husband was abused by his mother as a child and nearly murdered by her; he was beaten up by a former girlfriend; in Britain the figures for domestic violence are nearly 50-50 by gender and 25% of domestic homicides are now female on male (up 5% from the previous figures for women and down 5% on the previous figures for men). The figures for REPORTED domestic violence show 1.2 million women and 800,000 men REPORTED domestic violence by their partner. Yet when on TV yesterday people raised the issue a feminist group said that male victims of female violence were unimportant. So you can get a bit of a sense of why I hate feminism. It's NOT about equality; it's about misandry, special favours for women and dissing men.
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Post by Willing Sniper on Dec 13, 2014 17:46:20 GMT -8
He brushed against me once and gave me that come hither look.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 15:28:15 GMT -8
Thats funny, I profoundly disagree with your attack on feminists. You're entitled; I profoundly disagree with feminism. But I confuse both sides of that debate a lot because most anti-feminists tend to be right-wing and I'm not conservative at all. And if you don't think that the presumption of guilt in rape and domestic violence cases is bad and down entirely to the malign influence of feminism; if you don't think that there's something wrong with judges making statements like 'you're not supposed to be concerned with the constitutional rights of the man you're violating;' if you don't think that the very TITLE of the VAWA act is institutionally sexist when a child of 5 could have called it the DVA act; if you don't think that the fact women routinely get no punishment at all or lesser punishment for the same crime than men is wrong and the fault of feminists; if you don't think that the divorce and custody laws are unfair to men; if you don't think that quotas rather than merit is wrong; if you don't think that regarding domestic violence by females against males is wrong and deserves the same punishment; if you don't think that female paedophiles get a free ride compared with male ones; well, all I can say is you've been brainwashed by the feminists. My husband was abused by his mother as a child and nearly murdered by her; he was beaten up by a former girlfriend; in Britain the figures for domestic violence are nearly 50-50 by gender and 25% of domestic homicides are now female on male (up 5% from the previous figures for women and down 5% on the previous figures for men). The figures for REPORTED domestic violence show 1.2 million women and 800,000 men REPORTED domestic violence by their partner. Yet when on TV yesterday people raised the issue a feminist group said that male victims of female violence were unimportant. So you can get a bit of a sense of why I hate feminism. It's NOT about equality; it's about misandry, special favours for women and dissing men. Feminists focus on their focus area which is = women. The strides that have come about BECAUSE of feminists in regards to gender equality are massive and very important. This will not be dismissed by me simply because feminists focus on what they have always focused on, that being FEMALE issues.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 13:34:32 GMT -8
You're entitled; I profoundly disagree with feminism. But I confuse both sides of that debate a lot because most anti-feminists tend to be right-wing and I'm not conservative at all. And if you don't think that the presumption of guilt in rape and domestic violence cases is bad and down entirely to the malign influence of feminism; if you don't think that there's something wrong with judges making statements like 'you're not supposed to be concerned with the constitutional rights of the man you're violating;' if you don't think that the very TITLE of the VAWA act is institutionally sexist when a child of 5 could have called it the DVA act; if you don't think that the fact women routinely get no punishment at all or lesser punishment for the same crime than men is wrong and the fault of feminists; if you don't think that the divorce and custody laws are unfair to men; if you don't think that quotas rather than merit is wrong; if you don't think that regarding domestic violence by females against males is wrong and deserves the same punishment; if you don't think that female paedophiles get a free ride compared with male ones; well, all I can say is you've been brainwashed by the feminists. My husband was abused by his mother as a child and nearly murdered by her; he was beaten up by a former girlfriend; in Britain the figures for domestic violence are nearly 50-50 by gender and 25% of domestic homicides are now female on male (up 5% from the previous figures for women and down 5% on the previous figures for men). The figures for REPORTED domestic violence show 1.2 million women and 800,000 men REPORTED domestic violence by their partner. Yet when on TV yesterday people raised the issue a feminist group said that male victims of female violence were unimportant. So you can get a bit of a sense of why I hate feminism. It's NOT about equality; it's about misandry, special favours for women and dissing men. Feminists focus on their focus area which is = women. The strides that have come about BECAUSE of feminists in regards to gender equality are massive and very important. This will not be dismissed by me simply because feminists focus on what they have always focused on, that being FEMALE issues. That's just a cop out. Feminists have substituted an agenda of female privilege for any pretence at gender equality. I'm a woman and if it comes to that I was also raped as a teenager. So don't try and make out I'm some sort of privileged white middle class male because I'm a brown-skinned working class woman. If feminists genuinely supported equality they would NOT support such institutionally sexist laws as VAWA - a kid of 3 could have draw up a title of DVA for heaven's sake; they would NOT regard DV, rape, sexual abuse, paedophilia and so on as purely female issues - especially when there are around the same number of women committing these crimes as men now. Until the feminists start trying to create a society where both genders get treated fairly they'll continue to be what they've always been - a white, middle class neo-fascist movement committed to misandry and oppression.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 9:58:52 GMT -8
Feminists focus on their focus area which is = women. The strides that have come about BECAUSE of feminists in regards to gender equality are massive and very important. This will not be dismissed by me simply because feminists focus on what they have always focused on, that being FEMALE issues. That's just a cop out. Feminists have substituted an agenda of female privilege for any pretence at gender equality. I'm a woman and if it comes to that I was also raped as a teenager. So don't try and make out I'm some sort of privileged white middle class male because I'm a brown-skinned working class woman. If feminists genuinely supported equality they would NOT support such institutionally sexist laws as VAWA - a kid of 3 could have draw up a title of DVA for heaven's sake; they would NOT regard DV, rape, sexual abuse, paedophilia and so on as purely female issues - especially when there are around the same number of women committing these crimes as men now. Until the feminists start trying to create a society where both genders get treated fairly they'll continue to be what they've always been - a white, middle class neo-fascist movement committed to misandry and oppression. The Heart foundation raises money for health issues relating to the Heart. The Lung foundation raises money for health issues relating to the Lungs. One does not have to destroy or belittle the other to get ahead, there is not a thing wrong with focus. The distinct problem of misogyny both oppressing and directly harming women, is a womans issue pure and simple! Unless misogyny is directly addressed and acted against, general equalist activism will not be enough. Femenists believe that gender inequality requires a specific and focused lens. Because women are generally marginalized compared to men, they need narrative space for themselves and allies to discuss women’s issues and experiences. Without naming all of the issue of women’s inequality, without analysis of and action on the systemic power structures that generally privilege men over women in our society there is the distinct and REAL possibility that it might get de-prioritized.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 13:27:18 GMT -8
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Post by ❀rabbit❀ on Dec 19, 2014 20:02:34 GMT -8
I love Bill Cosby, why did everyone wait until he was an old man to come out with these rape allegations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 4:23:31 GMT -8
The fact that he was buddy buddy with Hefner and hanging around women all the time leads more crecredibility to these women in my opinion.
Yeah its not rape if he comes on to you and you acquiesce . But if he drugged beyond just offering drinks thrn yes that is rape.
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